First in the Family

大家好，欢迎回到 admission granted. 这是一个关于如何成功申请大学的播客 医学和研究生课程. And today, we're going to talk about being the first in the family. 但首先，我要介绍一下我自己. 我叫娜塔莉·努涅斯. 我是你们的共同主持人之一. My name is Brittany. My name is Christina. All right. 所以，在我们深入今天的话题之前，我想知道你的 夏天说，这是什么夏天? Yeah. 回来的感觉如何? 是的，我是说我可以继续，因为博士学位.D program. 你的夏天不会停留 Summer. 我只是在恋爱，做研究大概花一个星期. A few weekends like, exploring New York State hanging out with my fiance, Our family and 我们的朋友，可能参加了一些婚礼，对吧? 因为每个人都在 that mode of getting married and having babies. 但是克里斯蒂娜，你呢? 今年夏天你做了什么? Yeah. 所以当你加入我们的时候 medical school, at least here at Upstate, you get one summer off in between your first and second year that you can pretty much use to do whatever you want. Some people do choose to do certain programs. 有些人做研究， 有些人回家在家里的机构做研究. Unquote. I 我认识一些人，他们什么都没做，暑假就放假了. So, it's pretty much the world is your oyster in that way. 所以我所做的就是待在家里 Syracuse because I'm from, I'm from Syracuse originally, I was a teaching 澳门银河平台加速奖学金项目的助理. If anyone here is listening and is interested in that program, definitely go online to up State's website. It's a great program. It's basically a BS 2 MD track where Upstate has 与多所大学合作. And the country. 所以我是一名助教 这让我获得了一些指导经验. And I also did a 在医院的精神科做临床研究员. So I went in my work with doctors, I worked with psychologists there, the resident, the medical students on the team. 我给病人看病，写笔记，做各种各样的事情 在那里，我也花时间放松. 我花了很多时间和朋友在一起 我去了很多纽约的一日游，去了伊萨卡岛，我很久没去那里了 时间，这是伟大的. And yeah. 你呢，娜塔莉，好吗. I took advantage of our summer. 那是我第一次独自旅行 哪一次是令人惊奇的经历. I spent a lot of quality time with my family and friends and I did do a little bit of research. 我在写一篇综述论文 with some friends from another medical school. 所以我得到了一点工作 done but overall it was very relaxing and I came back feeling so refreshed and 准备像开始一个薄雾谁. 是的，我非常感激. That's ready to try. Raffle this summer. I need to know. 是的，我去了德国慕尼黑 visit. That's awesome. 我强烈推荐我的一个高中朋友的生活 there. 所以我抓住了她的机会去看她，然后我去了巴塞罗那. Also. And that was like, my time alone, which was great. Yeah. It's always some now we'll transition into like, what we're going to talk about today, which is 是家里第一个获得医学学位或博士学位的人. So let's start by sharing what our family does and how it might have like influenced us to 布兰妮. Do you want to start? Yeah, of course. So my mother is a public health program nurse for the central region of New York State's Department of Health. 据我所知，我妈妈只是有点 去纽约中部不同的卫生部门评估他们的 programs and helps them improve if necessary. 我想我已经讲过了 this before but my father is a physics teacher here in Syracuse at a high school called Westchester High School and I think science just has always Has been in 我的家，要么和我爸爸一起做斯皮尔曼的节目要么在电视上看 discussing it but my mom and dad both fostered, a science medical education. In fact, my mom actually got me into viruses which is what I study but because she is in the public health field that were able to look at viruses bacteria, heavy 在公共卫生以及如何保护你和你的家人方面进行全面的教育. Healthy. So I knew that I loved science and public health. So naturally I kind 你是克里斯蒂娜吗? Yeah. So I'm 像布列塔尼一样，我没有人陪伴. 在我的家族里，他是医生 field, I had one of my mom's friends was a nurse when I was growing up, but 差不多就是这样了. I actually was the first person in my family to go to college. 我当时也是一名大一学生. 我妈妈是一个理发师. And I think, for me the way that That influence me was she always instilled in 无论生活将我带向何方，我都要树立经济独立的观念 where I ended up or what my situation was that I should always be able to 养活自己，即使我选择即使那天我选择不工作 to stay at home and take care of a family that I would always have that option 我可以自己养活自己. 显然，我没有选择 stay at home and take care of a family, that's not the choice that I made, but 我认为这种独立的观念，真的帮助我成为了这样一个人 that I am. 而且，我觉得我经历的一件事是 我家里第一个从医的人，只是因为有必要 me to advocate for myself, you know, a lot of people in our class and I'm sure 娜塔莉会谈到这个，还有她的家人或者父母 grandparents, are, you know, generations of doctors and or people in the 医学领域和他们的李，这很棒. 我想这说明了 这个领域很棒，很多人热爱这个职业，热爱这个 生活方式，我觉得这很棒. 但你知道，对我来说，我没有 parent or a grandparent who could call up their med school roommate and be 比如，嘿，我的孙女可以? Christina Shadow. 你喜欢，我都得做 myself. 所以，对于正在听的人? 我认为第一，利用 你们学校的就业中心. I had a great career center at my high school and I can, And of go into later on in this episode, how I used that to my disposal 我是如何形成联系的. 但是，你知道，它可以很简单，就像 having a meeting with your school guidance, counselor for 20 minutes and being 这就是我想做的. Do you know, of any programs that I might be interested in? 我认为为自己辩护非常重要，因为， 你知道，当你在高中的时候，你会有人负责 帮助你，指导你，你知道，你有指导顾问 your school. 所以那就是但从那以后，就是你了，你必须 form those opportunities and kind of pave your way. 你知道，如果你 really take advantage of those opportunities so things will come your way, but 你呢，娜塔莉? Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that a lot of other students have people in their families or in their social networks family, friends, things like that, who have been able to help them because I really do 我觉得我们是这里的少数派. 我刚刚意识到 给我一点惊喜，但也给你一点我的惊喜. Background, my 妈妈是高中的生物老师. 她来美国的时候 她9岁，在我13岁的时候完成了大学学业. So, I saw her go from, like, being a restaurant server. 我想成为一个 biology teacher and she had to get a masters degree and, you know, pursue other higher education. 但从我很小的时候起，她就把我培养成了 学习的内在奖励. 他们总是对新的发展感到兴奋 in science. 而且总是讨论，因为你知道，好成绩很好， but it feels good to understand how things work and to my these connections, I 我想我们都同意她对科学的热爱. 完全被骗了 on me. It's just like instinctual to us so grateful for that. She definitely 影响了我从事科学事业. 我爸爸，他总是小的 businesses. 他出生在美国，但在多米尼加共和国长大 回来的时候他还在上高中. So yeah. 所以他也我不得不 start from the bottom himself, and he was very successful in his various different Sure. 有一件事是他一直灌输给我的吗 一直对他的自我提升感兴趣，他总是听喜欢 励志演说家之类的. 是的，从我很小的时候我就 always heard these things about your mindset and how important that is to 成功，克服障碍，诸如此类. And I think that I really got my work ethic from him that my son so cool. 我认为这是真的. 你说的关于你的心态. 我觉得你说话的方式 每天做自己真的很重要. Yeah. 我和我的朋友们讨论过这个问题 a lot. So that's awesome. 是啊，是啊，对此我很感激. And so we're all doing things that are very different from what our families did. I 不知道你的家人有什么反应? 当你告诉他你是 从一开始就追求你正在做的事情? Christina sure. Yeah I'll start this time. 所以我们首先，我想你知道说我的很重要 家人一直都很支持我，他们永远是我的第一位 现在是啦啦队员. At this stage, the game now that I am two years at 医学院的一所学校，他们并不真正理解我的工作. What it 必须上医学院. 他们只是有点，你知道，我会 谈到考试，我会说，哦，我压力太大了，我吃东西. I'm afraid that I'm not going to do well or whatever and they'll be like, oh, you're the smartest person. It's fine. It's fine. 我说，我不知道，但是 my family, really, the bottom line has done for me. 我的意思是，我做了很多 things for me. 如果没有他们，我肯定不会有今天的成就，但我认为 for me, School and doing all this fun stuff is not because I was the best 数学也好，孩子科学也好. 美人，总是赢得绶带和 whatever. Like that was not me. 我想我能走到这一步是因为他们 教给我如何在生活中取得成功的基本原则 陪我度过难关. I remember I got my first job when I was in high school. 我大概15、16岁的时候在零售工作，我妈妈让我坐下， and she was just telling me that no matter what You're doing no matter what 你的工作是，你应该尽你最大的努力去做. Like, no job is quote unquote. 你知道，你永远不会被高估任何工作. 学习的机会总是有的. 总是有机会做得更好 你自己和学习一些东西. And so, yeah, I think that that's definitely 我的家人是如何影响我的. How about you guys? Yeah. So when I told my family, I was pursuing medicine, they were like ecstatic, you know, like 他们当然也松了一口气，因为我是一个非传统的人. And as I mentioned before, so I found my way later in life. 嗯，你知道，晚些时候 大多数人都不这么做. 所以，他们，你知道，都松了一口气，然后 真的很为我骄傲，也很支持我，对此我很感激. And, of 当然，你知道，有些人什么都不懂，那是 part of being the first in the family is, is kind of Alone in that sense, like 没有人在你身边，也没有你身边的朋友 肯定有人问过我，哦，你为什么不试试护理工作 or something else? 像我一样，你会在学校待这么长时间吗 great careers, you know, that they've recommended. 但这是我的选择 you know, I thought a lot about it and yeah, they're they're really supportive 我认为，你知道，我在这条路上走得越远. The more 他们支持你，理解你，他们看到你了. You know, getting closer to your end. Exactly.

你去过吗 问题是，哦，你不担心吗? 你不会有时间和 your family or why don't you pursue, you know, being a PA or being an MP or something like that. 也许你会有更多的时间和家人在一起， 你以前一直都有问题吗一直都有. So the way I 想想看，是的，我要上四年学 可能会有长达9年的实习，这取决于我做什么. But this is like an investment for my future. 我想我还要来点 freedom to the line. 如果我现在投资，除非我真的很高兴像我爱什么 I do. 就像，你知道，我觉得我就像，在某种程度上需要这个职业. Yeah, yeah. 我只是，我只是提醒自己，你知道，这绝对是 很难回答这些问题. What about you guys? I definitely have. Yeah, 是的，我肯定会问这些问题，尤其是因为我猜这个 过渡得很好，直到我的家人做出反应，所以我不是新手 higher education, like that secondary diploma after your bachelor's because my dad had to go to graduate school for his master's and my mom was pursuing a master's. 所以，我一直都知道，我想，你知道，有点像， 该死，我想看看我职业生涯的下一步是什么. And, like, why not 试试读研吧. 我的父母都很感动，他们 他们总是催我去读一个比学士更高的学位. 因为他们知道如果我 那样的话，我就能有更多的机会了. And like you 我说，我以后的生活会比现在有更多的自由. But my 未婚夫的家人却没有同样的反应. 事实上，当他们发现 I was pursuing a PhD. So for 56 years of graduate school, they were kind of 我很困惑为什么我不想安定下来组建一个家庭. Because that's what They did that's what their children did and I believe, I'm like the 我们家族和他家族中第一个去读研读博士的人 不一定要像大师那样，但他们需要一些时间 understand and for me to explain to them like how I'm doing this for the betterment of me and like what I want to do and like the long run but also its setting up what I feel my family for Success. 就像，你知道，我的未来 孩子们向他们展示我能够度过这个职业生涯. And these are 我所拥有的机会，这也为你的成功奠定了基础. So you can look up to someone who's been to graduate school as their PHD or 比如，你们很空虚，你可以指导他们. Yeah. And I totally, I 我喜欢你们画这个的样子. 更像是一种召唤，而不是 it's just a job. 是啊，我完全同意你的观点. That totally tracks with me, but I think from now on after Actually, after this podcast, Someone asked me like, you know, why did you not choose to become a PA and it's 不是因为，你知道，那些做出巨大牺牲的人还有你 know, that's, you know, that's not to minimize their sacrifices and their hard work that they do. 但我觉得我的使命不是成为其中任何一个 things. My car is to be a physician so it's as simple as that. Yeah, there's something bigger out there that you wanted to try. 所以当然，够了，我的意思是 至少这是我的座右铭，对吧? You gotta try. It once for sure. So along the 同样的道理，你们是怎么发现自己的事业的? Like what you're pursuing? I can start. 当然，我就说我小时候，我 想成为一名皮肤科医生. I didn't know really fascinated with skin and I was like, always, like trying to get my family facials, only chasing them down 因为我不知道那意味着什么. 我没意识到是这样的 在学校待了很多年，不管怎样，这是一件很酷的事情，但是 was later in life when I actually lived on my own. I own and found some stability on my own that I realized I wanted to pursue medicine and it was really working with kids with special needs and like just seeing different pathologies and volunteering with doctors where I was able to see this amazing career and recognize that there is a need for people like me in this field. So 我对医学很感兴趣，因为它真的很美 科学与人文的结合. 我喜欢和人一起工作 get to like, solve complex So this is like my dream job honestly because I just 我觉得我可以做任何我想做的事. 我可以和别人一起工作，我可以 学习，我可以做很酷的事情. 是的，你对. I do 感觉就像你说过的，克里斯蒂娜是使命找到了我. So I do feel very 幸运，你们呢? 你是怎么知道这个职业的? Yeah, I 对我来说，只是呼应你说的话，我不会说那个 them fell in my lap. 我想这一切都是从我上高中的时候开始的 Kind of toying around with the idea of doing a bunch of different things. And I 和我的职业顾问约了个会. 和我的同学一样，我的成绩是 assigned one and she told me about this program through crowds Hospital, which 就在隔壁帮我说我每天都通过考试. Where are you? 每个月都有不同的医生在不同的地区 会跟你说话的医生. And I've kind of talked about this before on this podcast. 我不打算太深入地讲这个故事，但在那之后， I found myself. 我非常喜欢生物和高中. And it was, I was in 这门荣誉生物课是出了名的难. 每个人都在谈论它. Everybody was afraid of it because it was so it was 非常艰难. 但我记得我在那门课上表现很好，尽管它 was really difficult and I really liked that, feeling that I could do something 这很难，因为我认识的其他人都没有这样做过. Was that really tracked with me? Yeah. And so, Yeah, I think I just from Men on, I took an anatomy and physiology class in high school that a local high school was 夏季发售. I talked to doctors like whenever a doctor would come 在我们学校或其他地方. 你有什么，我会永远留在你身边吗 然后和他们交谈. And really try to get my finger on the pulse of what 他们的工作是什么样的，他们在说什么，我只知道一件事 我无法想象自己还能做别的事. And to 这一天，我无法想象自己还能做什么. The nothing is 对我来说比这更好. 那么，你呢，布列塔尼? I mean, we all have faculty, right? 本科生，每个人都有一个医生的别名， either. 不是博士就是医学博士. 所以我知道了博士学院和我的朋友们 at the time where you're older than me, they had all applied and got in to phc 所以我说，好啊，为什么不呢? 我当时对这事比较天真. I talked to some faculty and they were like you, you know, this like this is 真的，这真的很折磨人，我就想，哦，我看看会发生什么. And so when I got in and then, you know, first year comes second year, comes I 去吧，我还能再干一年. 哦，我总能驾驭自如. I don't like this. 就像我可以再做一年，你知道，五年后我在这里. Like, I 能在六个月内毕业吗. Oh my God, like it. 所以，这真的很酷 really cool. 是啊，我只是我喜欢我的工作. 我想我还能想象得到 way. That's awesome. Great. Yeah I think you have to like love a challenge to do what we're doing. Yes. Yeah you have to love the one thing I didn't realize 在我来之前，你真的必须热爱学习. 你学到了一门新的学问 作为一个教堂，也许你会做得很好，但你不会 享受吧，就像你必须对做这件事很着迷一样. Yes, I'm sure. Yeah, hard. Not to be fascinated by like the human body has and 就像，是的，所有这些东西. 也有很多不同的途径. 追求这个职业就像，我认为这是一个很好的过渡 our next topic, which is our mentors like where did we find them who they are, 为什么它们如此重要，我们在它们身上寻找什么 important especially as people who may not have had other people doing what we 在我们的成长过程中，你知道，我们肯定要寻求导师，我 think so. 你想现在就谈这个吗? 我当然可以开始，当我 looked for a mentor. It was more. 要么是嗑药的人. Track as 我，或者能听我说话. I think that is, you know, something that was very 对我来说重要的是他们能够抽出时间. 听我说，听我的 story and the reason why I'm making certain decisions, but also able to provide 反馈，尤其是当我说，嘿，我要去做这个. I think this is the path. 我想选择，他们说，我试过这个，就像，在，这是 我的经验，也许这能帮助你做出选择， you know. 这种实习之类的. 我认为这对我很有帮助 当我询问并与我的导师交谈时，我的导师不仅仅是教授 and undergraduate. It was also my friends who were a year older than me? I 我觉得肯定有帮助. 她把我吃成了今天这个样子. Just asking for their feedback. 我也很喜欢我们的住院医师主任，因为 在大学里有气场吗. And she gave me so much, like life feedback because she chose, you know, it wasn't It wasn't Public Health but she still was older 比我更有能力提供类似的指导. 我想为了不辜负这个词， you know, but feedback she gave me a lot of life feedback which I really appreciated. What about you? 克里斯蒂娜是你的导师? Yeah, so kind of similar. 我真的很喜欢你说的布列塔尼关于高年级学生的话. I think 那是一位沉默的医学生导师，我想你听不到 lot about. 但我认为，对于任何听对了的人来说 现在，现在，他们可能在高中和大学，我曾经去过的一个地方 go to meet older students, who ended up to be. 我的导师，是我们学校的导师 Binghamton University would put on pre-health events. So, they would have speakers, or they would have, like, round tables that you can go and, like, talk to Physicians alumni and all that stuff. 也会有年长的学生 there. 我记得，我会在观众席上俯身对他们说， hi, you don't know me, but my name is Christina. I'm a freshman. And that from there like just from talking to them and listening and I would say, hey do you mind if I send you an e-mail or hey you know, maybe the next time I saw them on campus I wave and just little things like that. 我认为把你自己放在 与人见面的位置. I think it's very very important and if you're you know, you're more introverted, you're more shy. It's okay. But I think definitely, you know, being able to reach out and talk to people and network is 一项需要时间来学习的技能. 这很重要，我也会说，是的 我最大的两位导师. 是我们学校的学前教育主任吗? And my undergrad always was so helpful to me and I definitely wanted to see me succeed and always took the extra time to meet with me if I had questions and that was great. But another mentor of mine was my organic chemistry. Professor in college. Still probably the best Professor I've ever had. This is another 为什么你应该为自己辩护，因为我的方式 know her Was, she would have these office hours throughout the week and one of 她的办公时间大概是早上8点或8点半. So I would get up and I would go. 有时我是唯一一个去的人，因为它 was so early, and everyone's in college and doesn't get up till later usually, but I got out of bed and I would, I would go. 为了我将来的日子 the only student there, or maybe one of the few students, she would still take the time to teach me, even if it was one-on-one. 所以，如果有的话 好几次，我发誓她真的在教我有机化学 从那以后，我真的很尊重她的教学风格. I think she was an awesome person and I definitely have way more mentors than that than 当我说如果你是我的导师正在听这个的时候. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. And thank you. I think it's also important to say that not everyone that I've encountered on the way has been a mentor. 并不是所有人都支持 me. Not everyone has told me that I'm the smartest person, you know you There's 绝对是相反的，对此我要说的是，有时候这只是 找到合适的导师的问题，一旦你找到了，就努力成为他的导师 当你到了可以支付的位置时，其他人也会这样做 it forward. 当然，我喜欢你提到的. 就像，这是一种 像是一种双向关系. You know, as a mentee you have to put in effort as well. I was really lucky. I found both of my mentors by chance and all I. Yeah. 我要谈谈这个女人，她给了我很大的鼓舞. I I went 喜欢我们动漫举办的医学预科活动，就像医学预科一样 少数民族学生组织. 所以，我去了这个活动，我很兴奋 through the program and I See This Woman's face. 她是演讲者之一 我立刻认出了她. 她恰好是这个女人的妹妹 当时和我一起工作的人. Yeah. 就像非常，我不 know. It was very interesting how that happened, so I took a picture and I sent 对我朋友来说，这是她的妹妹吗? 她说，是的，完全喜欢 reach out to her. 我不能听她讲话，因为我得离开 early for work, but I did reach out to her and she was so receptive and so 她热情好客，还是个双证医生. She does ENT 而整形手术看到一个女人能做到这一点真的是 inspiring to me. 我真的看到了医学的职业生涯 看起来就像，你真的不能拥有所有的东西，我们会讲到的 工作和生活的平衡，因为大家对此有不同的看法. 但她确实体现了我喜欢的托妮·莫里森的一句话，这句话 如果你有一些权力，那么你的工作就是赋予别人权力. I like that. Yeah. 我认为这是我们责任的一部分，大家都知道 that are pursuing higher education is to open doors for people following us. So 我真的很感激我遇到了她. 她甚至好心地来了 to my school to teach some of the pre-med students. How to suture? She helped me with my application. 她真是个了不起的人. 我非常感激 Her. And then another Mentor that I had was a retired urologist that actually 通过服务员认识的. 是的，他就像我的一个顾客. He was there with his wife and a friend and he was celebrating his birthday and we developed a rapport. 然后他发现我，你知道，在追求 medicine. 但这就像我刚毕业的时候一样 degree so I hadn't even taken any science classes at this point, but I told him 我想从医，所以他告诉我，你知道，等到你 科学课你上科学课的时候回来找我. Yeah you know 就像你说的，你必须非常诚实，你知道，这不是一条容易的路 and so he really gave me some perspective on that. 然后，他一看到，我就 他是认真的，百分百支持我. 我是说，他一直很支持我，但是 他想确保我的思路正确，但我确实这么做了 出于正确的原因. 真的很感激他，我们还是朋友 day. 他和他的妻子都是了不起的人，非常慈善，他也 对我的申请帮助很大. 他把我的个人陈述读了很多遍 帮助我认识到自己的力量. 还有为什么我真的会成为一名优秀的 医学院候选人. So that's awesome. 我觉得你培养了一个很好的 point. 你找到了你的导师，我觉得， 那些不善于交际的人，你知道，他们更内向 introverted. Thank you. Yes, the introverted people, you know, it's kind of 但在我的职业生涯中，我发现自己成长得越来越多 it's very beneficial for you to just send an email to meet Someone at office 所以你就说，嘿，我有个小问题. Can I ask you like, but your opinion on this it is very beneficial like, for you for me, you can 因为你在教授的办公时间去找他. 结果很好 us in the long run. 你的朋友很害怕去联系别人. 也许就像一封冷冰冰的电子邮件或打一个电话. Yeah, it can be very scary sometimes. 但我想你们也要记住两个人都在 和你的立场一样. So I'm selling point. So yeah, it's all going to be okay. 他们能做的最糟糕的事情就是拒绝，你会发现 就像克里斯蒂娜说的，他们不会支持我. 但我想这就是原因 it's really important to just establish in yourself what you want to do and 对自己有信心. Yeah, because you're just going to meet so many obstacles. 这就是事实. 如果你有一个好的基础和一个好的 sense of like why you're doing it and a good reason you'll really be okay. Yeah 克里斯汀，我记得你说过你自己也是一位导师. Did you have any feedback on what? It's like to be a mentor to a mentee for sure. Yeah so I in college. Had a group of students who were pre-health mentors. So if you had 有任何问题，想要一个学生的建议，真的很漂亮 与健康相关的，你可以去见做过这方面工作的学生 process prior to you. 我年轻的时候经常去那里 years in undergrad and then I became a mentor in my later years and it was just such a great experience because I think there is no advice like firsthand 你首先需要这样的建议. Hand perspective. When people 来找我，请我帮忙，我仍然，我想我的邮件一定是这样的 on the Binghamton website somewhere because I still get help from students 征求我的意见，那些电话，你知道的，冷邮件. Even this is totally what I always say is, you know, how can I help you? 比如承担责任 that student because I don't know that students Journey or what they've already 弄清楚他们需要什么帮助. 所以我认为询问和放置 the ball in their Court can be helpful to them because then they can really get out of it. What they need to get out of it and I talk a lot. So Creation that I 他们已经知道了. I really love hearing about your experiences with mentors. 我觉得这太棒了. We also wanted to touch on something related to work life balance. 所以医学领域和科学界是臭名昭著的 for being difficult. There's many years of school for us Christina there's residency and then there are exams at every turn and I know that's the same for PhD so let's talk about the elusive work-life balance. 比如这意味着什么 你觉得我们能在工作和生活之间找到平衡吗 life. I don't think so. 就我个人而言，我真的不喜欢. 我想应该是沿着 我说这段时间做功，我说这段时间 outside of work to do my life, be with friends, feel families and not think about work. 有时候我觉得自己很平衡，但当我迈出一步 back, I kind of look like, oh, these past few weeks, they've been, you know, focused around work. 就像，你知道的，一股波浪向上，然后 向下，向上，向下. And I really have to thank my fiance because he is a 比我更像一个全面的人. 所以我会说，嘿，你太 最近专注于工作. 我觉得我们得和家人一起去. I think we need to go do the spontaneous trip, like I think you need to get back to you 我真的很感激，因为就像过去的几周对我来说 我个人都很疯狂. And I realized that this week that, you know, I 我真的需要回到我身边，关注我的朋友，家人和其他人 我没见过所以我不我的意思是我不认为这是一种平衡. What do 你认为阿里·克里斯蒂娜? Well let me just say that I'm not the person that 应该对此给出建议吗. I do not. 如果有平衡的话，我没有 could not figure that out yet but what I will say is a couple things I think 对我来说，我有几条黄金法则. Yes. 请告诉我们你的黄金 walls. Here we go. Three. 第一条黄金法则. 不管发生了什么. I 总是计划好要看的东西. 期待在周末的时候. So literally, a Natalie knows I'm talking about really text people at on Monday, Tuesday, even of a week to get plans for that weekend. Whatever it is. So that 整个星期，每个人都在为一些事情而兴奋. Everyone has 社交或有趣的事情，或者任何值得期待的事情. Even if it's like 周六去和我妹妹一起吃晚饭，我经常这样做 是我所期待的一种更普通的日常生活吗 因为我喜欢和她在一起，这就是规矩. Number one. Always 试着享受一些放松的乐趣. Social thing to do at the end of the week, if you can help it number two, I always make a schedule on Sundays for that 下个星期直到下个星期天，我的日程安排叫 不可协商的时间，我在做空中引号，但通常我 schedule non-negotiable time for Fridays and Saturdays after 4:00 that no 不管发生了什么. 我星期五和星期六从不工作. At 4:00 the 23, I think for us, you know, for Our Generation like the new generation of healthcare professionals, doctors phds, nurses, everyone we get to set the tone and it's up to us, you know, when I'm relaxing. 我尽量不打击自己， 你知道，我认为我见过的很多很多医学院学生，你知道，你 你会放松，或者你会做一些社交活动，有人会说，哦， 我现在应该在学习. 好，让我快速查一下那封邮件. Yeah, 不，好像那时候我们说了算. 如果是放松时间，那就是放松时间. Time 不要试着不去做，比如，你知道，这取决于我们 我要去问女人她们什么时候计划要孩子? Or if they have 有足够的时间陪他们的家人，也许我们不该再这么做了. Or maybe we should do that. 无论男女，都是等量的. 就像，我认为它是向上的 to us set the tone, you know, if you want to have a better work-life balance. 当你有时间放松的时候，不要让自己道歉. Yeah, kind of 在我看来，现在适得其反. Yeah. 我觉得对我来说，那个 你知道，工作与生活的平衡是需要努力的，对吧? And I think 当你觉得你的工作是你人生使命的一部分，这就容易多了 I feel like we all do feel and I do think it's really important to have like an 校外的身份和爱好. 我觉得这真的很有帮助 strike that balance. 我不知道你们怎么想，但有时候，比如 考试或者休息的时候，我的大脑不知道如何放松. Like, it 不知道怎么找乐子，怎么不感到压力. So it's 像你一样，有爱好可以依靠，有计划，这绝对是件好事 said, Christina. Absolutely love that. 就像健身房一样 去博物馆，去看展览之类的. I think it's 在科学和医学之外有兴趣是件好事. 是的，而且只是 little plug. 锡拉丘兹发生了很多事情. Like 是的，我真的很震惊. I'm taking an elective class right now called 文学与医学博士. 露丝的心，她是一个了不起的女人 community. 我们看过不同的电影、纪录片、戏剧，也读过一些东西 在能拉车之前，是的. We've been able to connect all those things to 医学和行医在某种程度上. 回到正题上来 每天，寻找工作与生活的平衡. 对我来说，这似乎是优先考虑质量 sleep and nutrition. 这些对我来说是很难的. Like I need good 至少6小时的睡眠. Definitely. 对，对，就是这样. Those are mine. I'll just add on yours and overall health, you know, I try to go to the gym. I try to meditate and you know what, I remember to. 我也努力确保 my space is clean. 这对我来说真的很重要，就像组织，它只是 helps my brain work better and it reminds me also that my personal life is just as important as my professional life, like it's easy to like roll out of bed 然后跑去学校，然后去图书馆待上12个小时. But like, if I wake up and like, I really enjoy my space, that I'm living in, it helps me slow 有点像找到工作和生活的平衡，意识到我 not. Just a student. 你知道，我是个女人. I'm a person. You know, living a life. Yeah. Yeah. 我认为发挥你的创造力也真的 important. I know you're both very creative like Crusade. You sing. I do? Yeah. Yeah. 布列塔尼的Instagram主页很赞，很有美感. I love your pictures. Yeah. Like, just a little ways that we can, you know, be 创造性和平衡是我们自己的问题. 我喜欢做饭，我喜欢做漂亮的东西 摆放在我家里的东西. Um, so those are just some ways that I try to strike that balance. 平衡，但你知道，有时比其他更难. I'm sure we all know. So it's also I think important to remember the big 想象一下，像他们说的那样，任何值得做的事情都不容易. It is worth it. 这是有原因的，你知道. I mean and it's you know it's going to be all right in the end. Yes investment. So yeah like this framework that we've kind of set up of like reflecting each week just making sure like we have this kind of 我觉得我们所有人之间的平衡，我的意思是， even if it's not every week, every few weeks It's like coming back and being like, okay, have I focus too much on work or have I focused too much on my outside life? You know, going out to dinner and things like that. You know, I think 我们建立了一个平衡工作和生活的框架. I think it's 希望对我们的听众非常有益. Yeah, definitely. I love this 我们今天的谈话. 我学到了很多关于你和我的事 希望我们所有的听众. Also got some insight into how it is to be the 家里的第一个人. Family and how there is a beautiful Community waiting for you here. So we look forward to speaking to you next time. Yes time soon. Thanks everyone.